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basement ponderings & asbestos testing

Prepare yourself for one of the ugliest posts ever to grace this blog.  Sometimes when you’re renovating an older home, things are ugly.  It’s almost unavoidable.  When we first looked at this house and considered buying it, the basement was the obvious sore thumb.  It clearly had water issues because it felt humid, smelled dank and musty, and it was evident that carpeting had been removed (presumably after getting wet.)  With the carpet gone, the floor was a concrete slab with remnants of carpet glue and foam padding covering the entire surface.  But, I am the eternal optimist when it comes to homes, so I could look past that.

We were informed that the basement flooding was not a regular occurrence, but it happened during a particularly heavy rain when the gutters were clogged.  We dealt with pretty significant water issues in our PA basement, so we were familiar with an old cinderblock basement and how to dry it out and make it feel like a functional part of the home.  We felt like this was something we could tackle and, in addition, we thought our renovation budget was ample to finish the basement with a bit more finesse.  The part of the basement that is currently finished is only about half of the total basement footprint, so we saw the potential to expand the finished area and perhaps even add a bedroom and bathroom.  A part of that plan would include converting one of the traditional basement windows into a larger egress window to bring in more light and provide another exit in case of an emergency.  (Right now there are two, but they are relatively close to each other, so it would be nice to add one more on the opposite side of the basement.)

1970 home renovation | basement | miss mustard seed

Anyway, once we moved in and got working on the renovation, we realized the bulk of our budget would be eaten into by the new roof, electrical work, windows, the kitchen, and the pool.  (You can see the progress we’ve made on the house in our first two years HERE.)  The basement kept falling lower on the list.  In addition, we realized after living in the house for a few months that we really didn’t need another bedroom or more finished space.  The house is plenty big for our needs and we were happy to use the basement primarily for storage and a workout area.  It is a bit of a hangout when we have a lot of people over because there is a ping-pong table, some places to sit, games, etc. down there, too.  It’s not a comfortable, cool, hangout spot by any stretch, though.  Teenagers don’t seem to mind it’s a 1970s vintage basement that looks like it could’ve been the set of Wayne’s World.

1970 home renovation | basement | miss mustard seed

I get the sense this was decorated by teenagers and/or grandkids as their own personal hangout spot.  I imagine it was a pretty place for the kids to retreat to back in its glory days when converting your basement into a rec room was still a relatively new concept.

Since the basement smelled dank, we added fans and a dehumidifier, and the smell cleared up in just a few days.  We’re fortunate to have a drain on the floor of the laundry area, so we’re able to run and drain the dehumidifier continuously.  We’ve also made sure to keep the gutters clear, especially when the maple trees are shedding the most, and plan to do some more grading and gutter work in the front to keep the water moving away from the house.

After having a dry basement for almost two years, we had four separate water issues in the basement over the past three months.  The first event was when we got six inches of rain in a couple of hours.  The water table was so high that water started seeping in through the cinderblock walls along the back of the house. Thankfully, the water came in at a place where it didn’t ruin anything.  We just suctioned it up with a shop vac, put some fans on it, and it was good to go.  A few days later, our A/C drain was clogged and that leaked all over the same area.  A couple of weeks later, a pipe that wasn’t capped when we had some plumbing work done started to overflow and spew water when we ran the washing machine.  When the plumber came out to fix that, one of the old copper pipes had started leaking that very morning so we had to clean up water once again and have that pipe replaced!  It was crazy how we had all of those completely unrelated water issues right in a row.  Anyway, we’ve since added water sensors in a few key places so we’re alerted to any new leaks or water coming in.

As far as how we’re using the finished area, shortly after we moved in, the guys wanted to add a Smith machine to the workout area.  They found one on Facebook Marketplace for a good price that would just barely fit under the low drop ceilings (with a couple of ceiling tiles displaced.)  In order to get ready for it, I cleaned, primed, and painted the floor underneath that area and we added some gym floor tiles for padding.  That section of the floor didn’t have carpet glue or foam so it was much easier to simply paint for a short-term fix.  We used rugs to cover as much of the rest of the floor as we could until we figured out what we wanted to do.

 

1970 home renovation | basement | miss mustard seed

While we’re not planning on putting any major money into this basement, I do want to take some steps to make it feel like a nice place to spend time.  Eventually, I’d like to replace the walls and ceiling, but that would happen way down the road and I would like to include extending the space and adding an egress window as a part of that.  Until that happens, I’m just planning on painting the paneling and wallpaper.  I am not a fan of painting wallpaper, but we’ll just rip out the walls eventually, so it won’t do any harm to paint over the crazy stripes. As of now, I’d like to paint the paneling a pale blue-gray and the wallpapered areas creamy white.  I’m also thinking about removing the dropped ceiling to see what we’re dealing with.  It might honestly look better exposed and painted painted, even with all of the ducts and pipes.  That would likely involve some electrical work, though, so I’ll live with the dropped ceiling for now.

And the floors.  Oh, the floors are the biggest issue.  They are impossible to clean with old carpet glue and foam stuck to them and that drives me nuts.  I’m also nervous about what might be in the glue and foam, particularly asbestos.  I’ve honestly felt a little paralyzed by that possibility and it’s prevented me from doing any real work in this basement.  So, I finally bought an Asbestos Test Kit, scraped up a little section of foam and glue, and submitted it to find out what we are dealing with.  If the test comes back negative, I can scrape away the glue and foam and then prime and paint the floors.  They would feel fresh and clean and would look worlds better.  Based on scraping up a test sample, it will be tedious, but it scraped up easier than I thought and I just used soapy water and a paint scraper.

If it comes back positive, we’ll get an asbestos abatement company to come out and make recommendations.  I’m just really hoping it’s negative so I can get down there with a scraper and start working on a section at a time.  It would be a relief to get that done.  I should get the results later this week it early next week.  I’ll let you know what we hear.

I’m already making plans for reorganizing the basement so we can set up a game table, a seating area, and some more bookshelves to make a little library nook.  It’s not ever going to be an amazing space, but it can certainly be better and feel more like a part of our home.

Marian Parsons 

Paint Enthusiast | Writer | Artist | Designer

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17 Responses

  1. Would jet washing or sand blasting work for the floors? It might save your shoulder.

    I’m currently lying down instead of preparing for the arrival of electricians because I’ve popped a couple ribs and the inflammation is bad. It sucks to have so many ideas and not be able to execute them!

  2. That’s an ugly basement all right! Having cinder block foundations sure does set you up for water problems too. Not an easy fix at all. And I had no idea that there could be asbestos in the GLUE. Wow, I spent a few months scraping glue off of my old basement floor so I know how much fun it is! I actually bought an iron (for ironing clothes) and used it to melt the glue so that I could then scrape it off the floor with a metal scraper. Hopefully I didn’t shorten my life doing that, but it was a far less toxic alternative than using chemicals. It looks like you have WAY more glue than I had to deal with, but I think you could just build a subfloor over that. I think it is safe to say though that your basement should not be used for living and only for storing items that are impervious to moisture and mold.

    1. I think you’re probably fine. The biggest issue with asbestos, lead, and other harmful chemicals used in old construction is when they are sanded and turned to dust/powder that can be inhaled. If you use wet removal methods (or heat), it is unlikely you were exposed in a way that is harmful even if it was asbestos. It’s always a good idea to know what you’re dealing with in the future so it can be removed and disposed of properly, reducing health risks.

  3. Please consider looking for a floor service company to come in remove the mess and save your hands and shoulders for painting beautiful pictures. I speak from experience, my hands and shoulders are shot from doing stuff like this over the decades. Usually price is based on square footage and the concrete can be sealed and polished instead of painting since paint will eventually chip and lift. Chances are it would only take a few hours instead days and should be fairly reasonable.

    Regarding asbestos, please note that it is also found in the “mud” used in taping sheetrock and texture in older houses. Please check before any dry sanding.

    I know the basement will be beautiful when you are finished with it!!

    1. Yep, that’s a good thought and we can look into it. We just have so many other things we need to hire out (and we’re at that season of life where we have two teenagers driving who need vehicles), so we might take this on ourselves and just chip away at it.

  4. I agree about you hiring it out if possible – I like “save your hands and shoulders to paint beautiful pictures.” Couldn’t agree more. You are so talented and have a murial to be working on. ♥

  5. I know there are waterproof sealants that can be applied to the foundation walls that add a barrier to block moisture. I don’t think the process is that hard, like painting the walls. But it sounds like you have found the root of your problems. What a wonderful space for extra living.

    1. Yes, we did that to our PA basement walls and it did help to some extent. We’ll probably do that at some point. Fortunately, water isn’t a huge issue. We just had a fluke rain and then a few pipe issues all in a row. Usually, the basement is dry.

  6. Oxiclean dissolved in hot water is a great glue remover. I have removed carpet that was glued to every square inch of linoleum and saved the linoleum, loosened the glue on laminate floor tiles that were stuck to a wall with double sided strips with minimal damage to the wall and removed wallpaper. All with Oxiclean.

  7. I inherited a gorgeous parquet floor on my farm with a carpet glued on top of it. I remembered the Dreft advertisement I did just that. Hot soapy Dreft and big towels soaked in it. Put it on the spots and after half an hour I could remove it with so much ease. I think I did 50 square meters in a few hours. Hurray for a soapy detergent. Asbestos is usually in the remains of the floor, not in the glue. Keep my fingers crossed for you.

    1. Oh, such a good idea! I will give it a try if necessary. Based on my research, I am expecting it to be negative, but asbestos was used in some carpet/flooring glues as well as in padding, so I thought it would be better to have it tested, even if only to put my mind at ease!

  8. When I moved to my older home, I feared asbestos in the flooring of a storage room I have. It had begun to break up in areas, so I had it covered with a light and pretty linoleum tile and then had someone come and professionally wax it. It’s beautiful and easy to clean. I couldn’t be happier with the decision I made. It’s a terrible feeling having to spend money on something you wish you didn’t have to. You’re smart to have the carpet glue and foam tested before scraping. Wishing you good luck.

  9. Marian , I was thinking more about your basement floor and I wonder if your steamer would help to loosen it up some?

  10. Please provide more info on water sensors. Previously our basement flooded when a sump pump failed and the owner didn’t realize it. After purchasing the property we had a water abatement system installed and new sump pumps with battery back-up but I’m still nervious that someday it will fail again. Although labor intensive, love all your basement plans, someday we will get to ours.

    1. Ours are connected to a Simply Safe home security system and they are wireless and easy to connect and place under sinks, in basements, etc. We put a couple in our kitchen as well. You can find them that just link to an app on your phone and they are about $30/each.

  11. Oh, I hope you don’t have asbestos – the first house I owned had that in the basement floor and I had to hire out the removal before turning it into a basement apt. Ugh.

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